i hate it when wizards in books or whatever are like "magic and science are inherently incompatible" go home, sorcerer, the adults are talking
science is just a way of thinking about "things that happen"! different things that happen can't be "compatible" or "incompatible" with science
science is not a set of events or discoveries, it's how you think about the things you see
if magic exists, you can do science to it
this is my favourite toot in the thread but no one else liked it so i had to boost it myself smh
@monorail doing science to magic is my favorite thing ngl
@InspectorCaracal i find myself actively disinterested in stories where they don't do science to the magic
i really wanna read the laundry series
magic and impericism? might be compatible, up to the writer
magic and engineering? see above
magic and science, though? science is the /attempt/ to apply imperical reasoning to a thing, it doesn't matter whether or not it works!
@monorail depends on how you define science
@monorail "We place no reliance on virgin or pigeon. Our method is science, our aim is religion."
Perhaps magic is a way of thinking about things that happen too? One that places a much higher value on what people want?
Now, in our world, lots of things are usefully thought about with science, and few are usefully thought about with magic - but not none. Mindfulness meditation, for example, can be easier if you think about the inner workings of your head magically.
A fantasy world could work in a way where science was just not a helpful way of understanding it.
@monorail I'm a cross-class witch and engineer.
They're Not incompatible.
We have Glass Rectangles instead of Crystal balls. Technology is just magic done out the hard way.
@monorail oh god now i can't help but think about what silicon valley would do to the world if magic were well known, studied, and a part of STEM
@monorail When I use that trope, what I mean with it is: magic is not a reproducible phenomenon. People can achieve results, but they vary in such a way that even if they could be directly observed and tested no conclusions could be easily pulled from the observed dataset.
It is even better when magic “actively resists observation” — when magical practice adversarially stops producing consistent results during supervised experiments.
@monorail experimenters are, also, generally human: it is absolutely an okay attribute to ascribe to magic to produce disbelief in an experimenter even if they could make all the reproducible experiments they wanted, and lead them to irrationally believe that the results are inconclusive or a waste of time.
@monorail these apply to magic seen as generation of some range of results through willpower or ritual action; a similar setup applies differently to magic that occurs due to dialogue or intercession with sapient forces, since at that point the notion of a reproducible experiment kind of goes out the window.
@monorail I know I'm replying to an ancient post but honestly the story that spawned the world and magic that my game Shield Cat is based in, like that story was about magicians who wanted to transcend traditional magic and apply a science to it so you could make your own spells
@monorail magic does exist, it's called electromagnetism
@monorail there's also two fields of Deep Magic, that have yet to be properly understood and harnessed for wizardly use, which are called quantum electrodynamics and quantum chromodynamics. And then there's also general relativity. General relativity does not play nice with the deep magicks.
@monorail wait this has absolutely no description wtf
@InspectorCaracal i wanna read this!!!!
@monorail I've got one of the stories in an anthology I picked up at a used bookstore. I really want that collection though
@monorail we read a book once where a major plot point hinged on this specifically and it was really unsatisfying (basically, undo a curse by applying logic to it and that's science so the science instantly destroys the magic)
@Felthry wow! what a bad book
@monorail when will cars be magic powered
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